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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:52:00 -
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CCP,
You'll need to re-evaluate the role that this module plays, along with its functions. As it is now, it will be more of a grief play tool than anything else. I'm not discrediting the module itself, just the way it's been implemented. I can easily see these things being spammed everywhere simply because "I can" and "for the lulz", with minimal repercussions.
Anyone who thinks this will affect larger alliances more than small corps is, IMO, wrong. Even small corps operating in lo sec will feel a greater burden, because they have less of a fallback cushion during a POS shutdown.
There simply needs to be more repercussion or risk to spamming these things about. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:19:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Herr Esiq wrote:If moonming is so damned unprofitable after the patch, why not pull down the POS and deal with it?
Or raise the prices, like thats never been tried/done before.
Just sayin'.. If as many believe the smaller lowsec operators are targeted adversely (over and over by griefers) then there is a big chance many will simply pull down poses and move on. This in turn will cause prices to begin to shift, more than likely up as those with a monopoly rarely give out discounts. A lot of what helps keep prices down is competition, from those outside the monopolies, small operators who aren't making billions per month but do it because it's better than running missions or mining, force them out and everyone ends up paying more.
Very nicely said. Make no mistake, this is what will end up happening.
We're cutting out our nose to spite the face. Yet in the end, the monopolies will only be stronger with less competition. This will be an excellent tool to grief small POS owners out of business. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:31:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous.
Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them.
Between grief players targeting smaller corps (as these are the softest and easiest targets) and large alliances incentivizing the use of siphons on their competitors it has now become extremely easy to knock out the smaller moon owners out of the way. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:59:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them. You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays... YET
Fixed.
In any case, I wasn't referring to complex reactions alone. You need moon and intermediate materials for complex reactions. The effect trickles up. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:18:00 -
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Yeep wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much?  Something can be ****** for everyone while still being significantly more ****** for you than it is for me.
Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.03 14:43:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Meh, pushing the price and volume up, you may as well not bother releasing it at all. Consider that all it takes to kill the thing is a single character taking control of a single pos gun. Its just not worth it to use these if you push the break even point back significantly.
Welp, my compliments to the goons and their CSM advocate(s). This one's dead on arrival.
I'm neither a goon nor CSM advocate. I'm the "mythological" small POS owner you referred to a few posts back. If your aim is to weaken the power bloc alliances you were not going to accomplish this by obliterating the smaller competition, which is essentially what this grief tool would have done. |
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